Absolute sound; Alan Teffel, 玩 CAS .... 比人笑 ! !

dominiquetu

Alan Teffel 用 CH的SACD轉盤和DAC，比較了DSD檔和相同的檔案所製成的SACD片，然後宣稱SACD片大勝USB，所以他不信任USB.....然後....網友的回文，馬上把他打槍了....

只能說關乎CAT的評論，最好不要妄下結論，而且在自己沒有充分的知識和充份的test之前，避免做過度武斷的評述，以免自曝期短....

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/ ... a-follow-up-report/

andy3210

Hifi 世界最好認自己套野廢先吾會有人出聲話你

chuck

The author should have been more careful with his analysis. He forgot that he is only comparing the Performance of his CH DAC but not with the entire technology in general. A lot of external factors were omitted. Then, he was so excited to announce that USB is no good. That is simply an act of "jump to the conclusion". In this case, he can only conclude that CH SACD playback is better than the CH usb playback.

When you see a magazine frequently giving out "product of the year", "editor choice of the year", "best buy...", the magazine must have a strong commercial orientation with the suppliers/manufacturer. Readers should use their own judgement when reading any review article.

andy3210

chuck 發表於 2014-6-15 12:23
The author should have been more careful with his analysis. He forgot that he is only comparing the  ...

Absolute, but I would like to say so many people including non commercial consideration also with PRE defined answer as they expected.  Change their mind is need a bluemoon

diamondblack

chuck 發表於 2014-6-15 12:23
The author should have been more careful with his analysis. He forgot that he is only comparing the  ...

To be more concise, he just demonstrated that CH's SACD playback was better than his USB setup. It maybe a fairer battle if he can show that the USB setup he used in the test is at least at the same class as the CH SACDT (e.g. cost of setting up that USB setup. I know money is not everything but that perhaps is the common ground). With he telling nothing on his USB setup, he can't even make a conclusion that the USB interface in CH C1 is inferior.

dominiquetu

diamondblack 發表於 2014-6-15 14:12
To be more concise, he just demonstrated that CH's SACD playback was better than his USB setup. It ...

The reason why he not telling the USB setup because ..... he don't have experience on various USB setup.

Obvious he only use the CH1 USB input.

All he proved is that on CH1, the USB interface doesn't sound as good as the specialist proprietary interface ESPECIALLY DESIGNED to work with your SACD player.

I feel sorry for CH1......

chuck

dominiquetu 發表於 2014-6-15 15:22
The reason why he not telling the USB setup because ..... he don't have experience on various USB  ...

Exactly, anyone would question such a conclusion would be meaningful or not.

Audiophilelp

Hifi就是這樣，好聲與否是很主觀，又加上商業因素，forum討論，用眼聽音樂等等

所以只好要過自己的一關，自己親身體會過，比較過，相信自己的感覺。始終是自己付鈔和絕大部份時間只是自己／家人欣賞，不是買來應付其他hifi友／網友／打手！

說回CH c1, 我在我的開箱文聽後感說過我比較喜歡USB/Aurender input，這是與TAS相反，但這是個人感覺，而且有太多因素影響（如不同的電腦player, NAS, LAN cable, USB cable etc）會使Networking Streaming與USB input的聲音有所不同。不同不代表一定差，多比較，自己做試驗，找自己杯茶，就是樂趣！我覺得沒有absolute right / wrong!

你會說這可能會走冤枉路，浪費金錢，但盡信廣告，以貎取機，自己懶得做功課，一樣會䃥板，浪費金錢

所以，這些review 看過便算了，起碼知道有這件產品，覺得外觀接受到便進一步了解和試聽，多做功課，信自己！自己的standard是與Live performance比較，所以要多些聽Live學習下。

當然有不同的review和網上討論／師兄報告會使大家知道一些產品的動向，使自己有多些targets,不會孤陋寡聞，錯過好東西！

TAS report C1其它我覺得值得商榷的觀點是1.streaming 比CH D1 SACD 好和2. X1 PSU是不需要的:我在代理試聽過, D1播SACD絕對一流，而X1 PSU又是高質素設計，我認為不要一個TAS report 而忽視它們！

TAS C1/D1 report (also by Alan Teffel)
http://www.ch-precision.com/images/reviews/1401%20TAS%20test.pdf

我的聽後感
http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/ ... p;extra=&page=5

mac1

Audiophilelp 發表於 2014-6-15 18:30
Hifi就是這樣，好聲與否是很主觀，又加上商業因素，forum討論，用眼聽音樂等等

所以只好要過自己的一關， ...

沒有了HP的TAS, 已經.........

Just do not have to be too serious.......

alphability

我某程度幾同意作者看法，其實到今日CAS只是帶來聆聽方便

不過要建立好CAS，心力勞力真的花不少
尤其DSD,Sony 是不會告訴你不能說的DSD秘密

andy3210

alphability 發表於 2014-6-15 19:18
我某程度幾同意作者看法，其實到今日CAS只是帶來方便
要玩好CAS，心力勞力真的花不少
尤其DSD,Sony 是不會 ...

Sony極其量只公報DSD演算方法，最重要一環dsp就各施各法，電腦軟件方便作測試。但只帶來無盡頭既組合，比起現代音響配撘更多。無盡頭既組合呢一生都試吾曬

feellikecyber

Audiophilelp 發表於 2014-6-15 18:30
Hifi就是這樣，好聲與否是很主觀，又加上商業因素，forum討論，用眼聽音樂等等

所以只好要過自己的一關， ...

太猛的評論 無命

nicknick

diamondblack 發表於 2014-6-15 14:12
To be more concise, he just demonstrated that CH's SACD playback was better than his USB setup. It ...

同意 "he can't even make a conclusion that the USB interface in CH C1 is inferior"

breadvan

its just a reflection that any review is nothing more than a subjective review, regardless from who it is from.

Audiophilelp

網友的回文，馬上把他打槍了....

DELETED by TAS already...... cheap

diamondblack

dominiquetu 發表於 2014-6-15 15:22
All he proved is that on CH1, the USB interface doesn't sound as good as the specialist proprietary interface ESPECIALLY DESIGNED to work with your SACD player.

He can't even prove that unless the CH SACDT has USB output as audio connection and hopefully there's a special USB cable which built the same as the CH proprietary link, and also hopefully the CH firmware for both the proprietary link and USB input are of the same standard. You know these conditions do not exist.

Comparing whether one interface is better than the other is stupid. Comparing two systems and comment on what you like and what you don't like make more sense.

breadvan

Audiophilelp 發表於 2014-6-16 12:03
網友的回文，馬上把他打槍了....

DELETED by TAS already...... cheap

what?  now that's low and not very modern day management.

Just checked, it seems to be online again but with his own comment on why he heard what he heard.