Tidal vs Spotify vs Roon vs Qobuz

MM622

我而家用緊 Tidal, 但 Tidal 呢排有技術問題窒到飛起, 又話有財務問題, 唔知頂到幾耐…其實佢好多 file 音質相當好 (Hi Fi Plan), CD量又多, 請問 Spotify, Qobuz及Roon音質比起 Tidal 如何? 仲有邊個網站能提供高質素的串流音樂?  本人主要聽 Jazz. THX

wklie

Roon is not a streaming service like Tidal or Qobuz.  Roon software supports Tidal only.

Spotify is a lossy 320kbps streaming service.

To use Qobuz, you'd need to VPN to UK or France, create an account there and pay with PayPal instead of direct from a HK credit card.  After the account is created, you no longer need the VPN for streaming music.

Qobuz HiFi plan streams up to lossless CD 16/44.1.
Qobuz Sublime plan streams up to lossless CD 16/44.1, but offers you discount when you purchase Hi-Res albums.
Qobuz Sublime+ plan streams up to 24/192.  It has about 80000 Hi-Res albums, but a few are not streamable and require purchase.

If you use WTT i-Cable as your ISP, it is not good enough for Qobuz.  I was told PCCW is the best.  In the near future I'd try to test Qobuz more with HKBN.

MM622

wklie
THX! 始终Tidal 都係方便好多, 希望佢地能繼續.

Questions:
1) Qobuz HiFi plan streams up to lossless CD 16/44.1 = 在技術及數據上, 這是否等於 Tidal 的Hi Fi plant sound quality?

2) Qobuz Sublime+ plan streams up to 24/192 = 是否會比CD 16/44.1 好聲? 同 CD 16/ 44.1 比是否好易聽出分別?

clplarry

wklie 發表於 2018-5-7 10:52
Roon is not a streaming service like Tidal or Qobuz.  Roon software supports Tidal only.

Spotify is ...

I think HKBN is better than PCCW in terms of speed.

wklie

MM622 發表於 2018-5-7 11:21
1) Qobuz HiFi plan streams up to lossless CD 16/44.1 = 在技術及數據上, 這是否等於 Tidal 的Hi Fi plant sound quality?
2) Qobuz Sublime+ plan streams up to 24/192 = 是否會比CD 16/44.1 好聲? 同 CD 16/ 44.1 比是否好易聽出分別?

1. Yes, but Tidal also offers Tidal Masters MQA without additional cost.
2. Depends on who you ask.  Audiophiles usually prefer Hi-Res.

Check out these free downloads to see if you hear a difference:
http://www.2l.no/hires/

wklie

clplarry 發表於 2018-5-7 11:32
I think HKBN is better than PCCW in terms of speed.

Back in late 2015, Qobuz was too slow to stream with HKBN, while a CHing said it was perfect for him using Netvigator.

Recently Qobuz with HKBN is much better, but further testing is required.

Disclosure: I use HKBN at home.

melonfrog

Any one is better than Spotify.  
I tried.  嚇得我！！！！

AS881

I am using Moov, much better than Spotify!

nicknick

我自己幾樣都用過，依家有subscribe嘅有Qobuz同Spotify, Tidal用過短時間後就cut了，我個人的意見是：

Qobuz音質最好、速度最快，我屋企用netvigator公司用HKBN，出街手機用csl都可以流暢地stream HiRes，除咗手機過海乜台都會窒唔計。Spotify音質最差但介面最方便，隨時手機、HiFi、電腦、PS4轉來轉去繼續播都得，唔畀月費都有歌聽焗聽啲廣告啫。Tidal在我試用時音質冇Qobuz咁好，album又唔見得多過qobuz，所以我用過2個月後就cut了。

除了佢地本身服務質素，你亦要考慮自己的聽歌習慣同配搭：

- 有些播放軟件與這些steraming服務合作，例如Roon可以login Tidal帳戶來播; Audirvana可以login Qobuz帳戶來播; Qobuz同Spotify也有自己的軟件不過各平台都算齊全；另外各自又有直接支援的HiFi器材，你有冇用開甚麼播放軟件或硬件方便服務使用?
- 如果你聽廣東流行歌多咁Spotify最多； 如果你鍾意聽classic同歐美歌多我就推薦Qobuz，但Qobuz搵中文歌要打拼音比較麻煩; Tidal介乎兩者之間，邊個服務最多你想聽的album?
- 如果你聽到喜歡的歌會唔會都想買咗個file？ Qobuz sublime就可以優惠價買HiRes file。我比較過Qobuz直接stream來播同先買file回來再用Roon播，暫時都仍然是local播好聲啲，而且今日喜歡的歌有可能日後會被下架冇得再聽，所以若果音質是你最優先的考慮，買file仍是有吸引力的。


講到尾，全部都有得試用，你直接試晒佢地用一排就清楚邊樣最啱自己啦。

bcychung

MOOV ....

bcychung

Tidal :
- no Chinese letters , difficult to use .
- streaming stops / hangs frequently
- favours more European style / US taste , (does not suit my HK style i.e Local , Taiwanese music, Mainland songs , Japanese songs)

(But I'm still subscribing)

dekiller

自己主要聽CLASSICS和JAZZ。TIDAL HIFI真抵用。中文歌曲用馬云的蝦米好了。沒有最好的。

MM622

nicknick 發表於 2018-5-7 17:28
我自己幾樣都用過，依家有subscribe嘅有Qobuz同Spotify, Tidal用過短時間後就cut了，我個人的意見是：

Qob ...

我绝大部份只聽 Jazz, 發覺  Jazz既 album file, 尤其是歐洲樂手, Tidal 比Qobuz 多好多, 例如同一個樂手 Tidal 有佢 10 張CD的話, Qobuz 只有5, 6 張.另外新出的CD, Tidal 似乎出得好快, 月頭發行的CD月中就有 file 了. 但其它類型音樂我就唔清楚了.

nicknick 兄
請問你用Qobuz邊個 Plan?  CD 16/44.1 或 24/192?  音質分別大嗎?

wklie

For Tidal issues, try setting router DNS to 1.1.1.1 and 8.8.8.8, and logout from Tidal, and re-login.

MM622

wklie 發表於 2018-5-9 10:53
For Tidal issues, try setting router DNS to 1.1.1.1 and 8.8.8.8, and logout from Tidal, and re-login ...

wklie
thx

昨晚我只聽咗 2, 3 首 Tidal MOA format 仔的歌冇窒, 有師兄話聽咗Tidal 二小時都沒有窒, 希望佢地解決咗技術月問題.
如果再有窒會嘗試用你講的方法.

nicknick

MM622 發表於 2018-5-9 10:32
我绝大部份只聽 Jazz, 發覺  Jazz既 album file, 尤其是歐洲樂手, Tidal 比Qobuz 多好多, 例如同一個樂手 ...

我都覺Jazz類Tidal好似多啲，但我唔多聽Jazz所以話要夾自己的聽歌習慣。新出的CD Qobuz好快有喎! 之前我買Taylor Swift隻Reputation一出就有。
我現時subscribe Qobuz Sublime(冇plus), 買了的HiRes 24/192 album才可以stream 24/192，其他只有16/44.1, 我自已覺得HiRes stream出來播放係密度高啲不過CD quality已令我滿意，加上我仲係喜歡買低喜歡的歌，所以慳少少年費冇subscribe Sublime plus.

史的墳

我對 Tidal 在香港的表現非常之失望，打算用埋今個月之後唔繼續，用返 moov airplay 去 aurender 算。

（我是用 Netvigator 2 x 1000M）

dekiller

虾米的THREE BLIND MICE录音好多，TIDAL都卯。

Andy03

MOOV 係幾好的，比Spotify好很多。特別如果您喜歡聽本地中文歌，音質又唔錯。

MattAnt

暫時用TIDAL 就快一年 ，都有窒，但就無FB 上D 師兄反映咁嚴重⋯聽左大半日先有一次半次，用落幾滿意，古典同JAZZ 都好多，近期ROON 仲支援埋TIDAL MQA，方便同自己買落嘅歌整合，好評WO。
都好想試下QUBOZ，但係最高版那款貴TIDAL 太多，而且ROON 無支援，聽落就唔多方便⋯⋯用AIRPLAY 音質又減損一半，再觀望下⋯⋯