Sony FMP-X1 4K media player

r32

定價699USD, 已接受預訂.

The press releases also say the player will be available this summer with the streaming service coming on line in the fall.

Sony has also announced a $200 off promotion for the media player for smaller panel owners(55" / 65" UHDTV)
https://sonystyle.custhelp.com/ci/documents/detail/5/98

r32

唔使慌, 美國以外有排都無份

on99no

r32 發表於 2013-6-1 17:05
唔使慌, 美國以外有排都無份

有時發覺香港的影音,電子產品好跟貼潮流,
但又感到想有的就無份,
妙哉..............!

r32

on99no 發表於 2013-6-3 12:43
有時發覺香港的影音,電子產品好跟貼潮流,
但又感到想有的就無份,
妙哉..............!  ...

Sony想靠4K streaming搶佔美國市場, avs話嗰兩部細size UHDTV好搶手.
以Sony擁有電影片庫嚟睇, 實在大有優勢.

r32

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1359018/sony-vpl-vw1000/4560

The following post was taken from the Sony 4k media streamer FMP-x1 forum.

"Hello gang. I already have the Sony 4K media player. And I have some really bad news. You are NOT gonna like this.

Short version: I hooked the media player up (correctly) and received the error that the TV could not connect to the media player, along with a variety of error codes. After several hours of this, I returned the first unit and got a fresh one. Same problem exactly.

Enter Sony support. I talked to various people 'up the chain' until I got to a person who actually understood what the issue was. I hope you're sitting down:

Evidently, at the 11th hour, Sony decided to change the HDCP employed in these players. This new version of HDCP is not - I repeat NOT - compatible with virtually *any* 4K television that Sony has sold to date. If you purchased a Sony 4K TV of any size at any time before, I don't know, the last 14 days or so, chances are you're affected.

The solution, per Sony: The entire HDMI board in the TV has to be changed before the media player will work. Of course, Sony will set this up for you. When the part is available. And when the technicians have time. Because, you know, they have to now change the HDMI boards on almost *every* 4K TV they've ever made.

Am I the only person who's more than a little irritated that I just spent close to $7K on a beautiful new TV that effectively now cannot play the *only* 4K content in existence? Truly, truly unbelievable.

Questions? Ask away. But my advice: don't order the media player yet. Get your set's board changed first. Then, you won't have to endure the frustration I've endured today. Grrr......"

breadvan

Dear r32, if I am not mistaken it is a 'streaming' media player right? I cannot imagine Sony will let anyone of us start playing ISO :)

Anyway, Sony is obviously trying to be the first to push product out and secure part of a very small if existed market, and with these interesting information about this new product, I guess we are really no where near the 'promised' land.

r32

I have no idea......

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/ ... ners-video-unlimit/

Sony announced its FMP-X1 4K Ultra HD Media Player a few months ago, and today confirmed it's arriving in homes and on store shelves by July 15th. The $699 box only works with Sony's own 4K TVs, and early adopting owners of "qualifying" X900A sets can expect a $200 introductory discount. Also available is in-home setup and activations free of charge, set up through the 4KActivation.com site once it's available July 8th. Sony's also named the online 4K movie distribution network it's launching this fall -- Video Unlimited 4K -- which will offer films, TV episodes and short-form content for download. For feature films, it will cost $7.99 for a 24-hour rental or $29.99 to purchase. The 4K Player (and its 10 pack-in movies) is available for pre-order now on the US Sony store, expect it to hit other retailers soon.

breadvan

I heard before that the package came with some downloaded movies like the Amazing Spider Man, and the rest download from service provider, I could be wrong since these things tend to change prior to formal release, but from the engadget message above, it seems like download is the way.

chhanthony

This new version of HDCP is not - I repeat NOT - compatible with virtually *any* 4K television that Sony has sold to date. If you purchased a Sony 4K TV of any size at any time before, I don't know, the last 14 days or so, chances are you're affected.

r32

r32

OK. Here is accurate info on the problem and the issue of the server working with the 1000ES and whether 1000ES owners will get $200 off on the server.

Sony will do home installs to 4K panel owners of the mods needed to make the server work with Sony 4K panels.

The $200 off is only applicable to 4K panel owners and is through the Sony panel division. So there is no point in registering for the discount if you own a 1000ES. The attempted registration will be ignored by the panel division.

Around Cedia time the server will be made to work with the 1000ES projectors. Whether a $200 off will apply to 1000ES owners is unknown. Whether the projector will need a modification and how, if so, that will be done is not known. I expect a modification will be necessary and I suspect there will be $200 off on the server. Whether there will be a cost for any modification is unknown.

That's the info I have. It is not speculation and I have verified it through appropriate channels which I can not disclose. Dealers and Sony personnel can not post this info but I have been given permission to disclose the info.

The present downside. Not much until the Sony content service goes to operational mode. What we give up as 1000ES owners is we can't watch the present preloaded content which based on reviewers who have seen it is of variable quality. That's it. That's what I know. I have no more info. So enjoy your summer without buying a server.

~ mark haflich, avs

r32

Owners of the 55X900A and 65X900A and the FMP-X1UD can schedule activation of a the player by clicking
https://www.4kactivation.com/

breadvan

Mod?? You gotta be kidding

Anyway, looks like a transitional and buggy product to me, and putting 4K on a 55"/65" panel and watching from 10 - 12 feet ....

r32 you look like a perfect candidate for this, ie, to be able to see the real advantage of 4K content on a native PJ on a BIG screen, fingers crossed.

r32

"The biggest issue is copy protection on the movies and it was a last minute addition. Each movie will be tagged and locked to that Player, so if someone try's to copy it they will know.

The other side is the player will also be locked to the tv Panel, which is going to frustrate people if they have 2 4k tv's(can't move the player from one tv to another). That is the main reason for the upgrade and it is being enforced by Sony Pictures.

This is why there is such a hold up on Blu-ray 4k Copy protection, HDMI 2.0, HEVC(h.265)"

post by space2001, avs

r32

In better news, Sony confirmed it would offer full support to all Sony 4K TV buyers who buy first-gen 4K TVs, should there be any later changes to the 4K TV standard. The issue centres around a potential new 4K video standard, which wouldn't be compatible with existing 4K TVs' HDMI 1.4 inputs.

Gyles said: "Sony 4K sets are future-proofed. Customers are our number one priority and Sony will provide all the necessary solutions to the 4K TV owner to access future 4K content services once they start in respective TV markets."

The guy in charge of HE seems focused on these 4K TV's. i'm sure it would build confidence if he made the same statement for the projectors.

post by zombie10k, avs

breadvan

in that case I would say for most of us let's wait until the 'future' is here

r32

現實係Sony其中一個部門管錢, 一個管民用產品, 一個管pro產品, 一個攪製作......
1000ES係由pro(JP)嗰邊研製, 但屬於民用(TV當然係), 咁而家出事邊個負責?
4k stream由製作嗰邊負責, 但財務嗰邊又怕投資血本無歸........
由得佢地拆掂數先 :gagag:

重有Sony推4k軟件民用化, 荷李活各大片商不大願意, Sony內外都要頂唔少壓力......

breadvan

It seems to me everyone selling 4K/UHD now is doing their own thing, and trying to make as much as possible before a unified standard is released, and boy by then it would be very interesting to see who has bough a transitional product!

r32

Let's see what the anger is about here.

Sony released a server with a level of protection that requires it to be used with only 4K displays made by Sony and requires every Sony display made before server release to be modified. While the division that made the decision re the level of protection imposed probably was intelligent enough to know that pre displays wouldn't work, other divisions such as panels and projectors were basically blind sided. Surely if the panel division knew, it would have delayed the release of the 55 and 65 until it had the right security stuff inside.

Re the projector, I think the projector division knew for some time that the projector would not work with the server upon release but would be enabled at some later time. I doubt they knew all the reasons why it wouldn't work. Surely they were also blind sided by the last minute level of security in the server.

Now Sony is scrambling to take care of its 4K panels. To modify the design so that new shipments have the right stuff inside and to quickly fix the ones out there. Its all tied up with big time marketing campaigns too. Speed is of the essence especially if the 4K content service is to launch soon and start earning Sony revenue.

Re the 1000ES. A fix needs to be designed, manufactured and installed in all 1000ES projectors made so far, at least for those who want to use the sony server with it and Sony movies which requiring a Sony panel or 4K projector to be watched. The projector division is tiny. Sony does not have many technicians in the field that can service a projector. They are small and easy enough to ship to a centralized repair facility although having to do this for a mod will piss off some customers for a variety of reasons.

People want to know now that a fix or modification will be made available so they can watch Sony 4K movies.. They want to know what the fix is, when it will be available, how much it will cost, if anything, the procedures to be followed, how long those procedures will take, whether Sony will pay for mounting and remounting, whether if it has to be shipped, will sony pay shipping both ways, yada yada, yada, yada. The list goes on and on and on and WE want all the answers now and they better be the right answers for everyone here if that were possible and it isn't because there are differences between many of us.

post by mark haflich, avs

r32

From July 3, 2013

The Anti-Piracy and Content Protection Summit in Los Angeles last week had a number of interesting speakers, not least Sony Pictures CTO Spencer Stephens. With Sony just confirming that its new 4K player will debut in weeks, Stephens has revealed his wish-list for future 4K content protection. In addition to watermarking files with the identity of the user, the Sony CTO says that 4K players should have an Internet connection in order authenticate each video playback.

Earlier this year, Sony announced its new FMP-X1 4K Ultra HD Media Player in preparation for bringing the highest quality video available into homes around the world. 4K video will bring a resolution of 3840 × 2160 to the market, with the 4K referencing the almost-4000 pixel horizontal resolution.

Just this week Sony confirmed that its new device, which is only compatible with Sony’s own 4K TVs, will be arriving in homes from July 15th . Priced at $699, the player will require activation via the 4KActivation.com website.

Sony also named its new online 4K content distribution service which is due to launch later in the year. Video Unlimited 4K will offer movies and TV shows for direct download to its 4K player.

How the studios intend to protect their 4K content from piracy going forward has not been publicly outlined. However, during last week’s Anti-Piracy and Content Protection Summit in Los Angeles, Sony Pictures CTO Spencer Stephens gave a presentation which included his company’s wish-list for 4K DRM.

Bill Rosenblatt, who spoke at the summit for his company GiantSteps Media, notes that Stephens described the introduction of 4K as an opportunity to start with a fresh anti-piracy design. This, along with Sony’s “wish-list”, suggests that the final approach is yet to be agreed.

Nevertheless, at this stage Sony appears to be clear on its DRM requirements. Although fairly predictable, they aren’t going to win them many fans.

After the infamous cracking of HDCP, Sony is backing HDCP 2.2 * to protect the digital outputs of its devices from unauthorized video capture. HDCP 2.2 also has a ‘localization‘ feature, which limits the distance over which an HDCP player will feed content to a receiver such as a TV. This should stop people playing HDCP-protected content over the Internet.

Next, Sony wants each video title to be unique, meaning that the cracking of one piece of content doesn’t open up the floodgates to everything else. The company also wants video playback to take place in a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE), ensuring that sensitive data is processed and protected in a secure manner while allowing software upgrades.

And now the intrusive stuff.

Sony says it wants 4K content to be watermarked with the identity of the device or user who downloaded it, meaning that should the above countermeasures become cracked at some point, it will be possible to trace content back to its original owner. It won’t necessarily follow that those individuals are responsible for any ‘leak’ but they could forever associated with that content if it should.

Of particular interest given all the fuss over Xbox One’s former requirement to be connected to the Internet on a daily basis (and Sony’s response of needing no such thing for PS4), is Sony’s final wish-list item for 4K.

If the company has its way, all 4K players will need to authenticate themselves online before each and every playback. This will enable content providers to identify both unauthorized content and hacked players. However, if you are a legitimate customer with no Internet connection – permanently or temporarily – content will not play on your 4K device.

It’s becoming increasingly clear that content providers are viewing the Internet as a means to remain in constant contact with ‘their’ hardware and content wherever it may be. Going forward that will provide an unprecedented level of control. At least, that’s the plan.

http://torrentfreak.com/sony-vid ... eat-pirates-130703/

* HDCP 2.2 :   
http://www.digital-cp.com/files/ ... 20Rev2_2_Final1.pdf

EDIT: If you click on the pdf link for the HDCP 2.2 above you will find the requirements for the Authentication Protocal, Authentication and Key Exchange, Pairing, and Locality Check.  Just guessing but I expect this is part of the hardware that is missing in your projectors.  Looks like the encription/decrypting process will require internet connection to obtain a key.  Then you have watermarking or what ever else Sony wants to do.

source :  http://www.avsforum.com/t/1359018/sony-vpl-vw1000/4950