Linn LP12 DIY modify

w4waiki

DIY 6061 alloy arm broad, diy LP12 sub-chassis alloy with pom.
6061 alloy inside cross bar, replace new spring and rubber.

krell

rover901

勁呀。

聲音有乜改变?

w4waiki

其實分别都幾大，同原裝lp12比，换左sub-chassis同臂板後。明顯低頻下潛強好多，動態對比強，直頭是有力同punch. 重有音場明顯地定，多返下盤，另整個音場高度比例更加完整。
今次diy,整左14日，每日8小時。
其實最大難度是減輕重量，原裝臂板重300g. 自製合金臂板重362g.
原裝linn lp12 sub-chassis 重592g(第一代), (第二代重792g), 自己新做個件未偷輕時重1200g, 可彩偷輕後得返约660g倒。
其實sub-chassis 用8mm pom (即是clear audio 用尼做盤果隻黑色膠料), 再用2塊6061alloy夾應該好聲。好彩開聲真係掂，其實我二個lp12比較時都是用同一技臂同頭。

rover901

恭喜。你係唔係CNC?人手咁鑽都幾係嘢。

w4waiki

用鑽床，再加十字方向鑼夾，全人手做

ice_man

w4waiki 發表於 2014-11-25 21:03
用鑽床，再加十字方向鑼夾，全人手做

冇鑼床都搞到，真係近...

Herculees

差一樣配件

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue76/awards2014.htm

smokeyduck

by looking at these pictures..... speechless.  what a genius!

regarding to the Hercules II, i have it installed a few years back and it worth the money too from my point of view.  but i doubt it will serve w4waiki easily.

smokeyduck

http://www.encorehifi.com/cartsh ... 7f8ss68690glijmv6a0

it used to be the dealer of hercules i guess as i bought mine from there.  encorehifi seems fold up already anyway.

Audiophilelp

All LP12 sound become DIY sound ??

Herculees

I am not sure what do mean by Linn sound, Linn has many different upgrade like Keel, Kore,  Lingo 1, Lingo 2, Lingo 3, Radikal, Basic arm, Akito, Ekos 1, EKOS 2, EKOS SE, AC motor, DC motor, Basik, Valhalla  are they all sounds Linn signature sound?

No matter DIY or whatever people had done, whatever playback more details, more original sound without coloration, the approach doesn't  matter, the goal is to get the sound please you.

smokeyduck

the goal is to get the sound please you

Herculees

""All LP12 sound become DIY sound ??""

因此,  Linn sound 不應是這樣的

"" 其實分别都幾大，同原裝lp12比，换左sub-chassis同臂板後。明顯低頻下潛強好多，動態對比強，直頭是有力同punch. 重有音場明顯地定，多返下盤，另整個音場高度比例更加完整。""

但這乜是  LP12 + Linn Keel 後 的結果 , 何謂 Linn 聲呢?

Audiophilelp

Herculees 發表於 2014-12-25 12:30
""All LP12 sound become DIY sound ??""

因此,  Linn sound 不應是這樣的

Ha Ha, not to offend and no need to be so serious

I am also a LP12 user and I made modifications with Linn's upgrade as well. I also use tonearm/cables/cartridges not from Linn.

My feeling is original LP12 really has its signature sound, just whether it "pleases" you or not. I support replacing various parts as upgrade to make the sound "please you more".

However, if all fundamental parts are replaced with DIY, the TT is no longer LP12. Of vice versa, if all LP12 parts "do not please" you , why bother to "clone" a LP12??? I suppose the owner replace DIY parts one by one to appreciate the difference?

Upgrading with genuine LP12 parts is totally another topic. They are very costly but they are tuned by original manufacturer.

Yes, it is not easy to qualify "LP12 sound" but I am sure you are very dissatified with LP12 to do a huge operation changing a male to female.

Again, I am not offending to any of you at all. Merry Xmas and enjoy!

Herculees

I forget to pay my tribute to w4waiki, your are genius . Great job!

I do seriously want to learn something from high hand in this forum when I saw " DIY sound ", I am new here , only few days.  

I have been hearing Linn sound for decade, first time to see "DIY sound".  

I wish high hand can elaborate more  "DIY sound" , one system inevitably has something DIY, RCA interconnect, AC power plug....etc. is it good or bad?

I have confidence that nobody are offensive in this forum, most of audiophiles are gentlemen. Mainly discussion and covey of message.

When your LP12 tonearm is not from Linn , but the superb clone LP12  using Ittok II, in that condition, which one is getting close to Linn sound? Can somebody rate it?

""My feeling is original LP12 really has its signature sound""

Which combination below has more Linn signature sound???

Keel, Kore, original sub-chasis,  Lingo 1, Lingo 2, Lingo 3, Radikal, Basic arm, Akito, Ekos 1, EKOS 2, EKOS SE, AC motor, DC motor, Basik, Valhalla , T-cable, original phono cable , Akira, Linto, Majik , Trampolin. ....etc.

""if all LP12 parts "do not please" you , why bother to "clone" a LP12???

If LP12 please you, you do the 1:1 cloning.  

""I suppose the owner replace DIY parts one by one to appreciate the difference?""

The original LP12 design in 1975 has plenty of room to do improvement. As well as liin, keeping improving it. Do they really care the so called "Linn signature sound"?

"Upgrading with genuine LP12 parts is totally another topic. They are very costly but they are tuned by original manufacturer."

May I ask  this is a guess or truth? Fact can has hundred of guess, but only a truth. when they tune it , it was base on AC motor or DC motor...etc. I need to know so I can tell my friends in the future. Please.

"Yes, it is not easy to qualify "LP12 sound" but I am sure you are very dissatified with LP12 to do a huge operation changing a male to female."

Change from male to female, is it appropriate metaphor? An audiophile ear not able to recognise?  Or just joking?

I am so sorry if you feel offensive because I  have asked  so many questions, because I am new in this forum. I must miss so many topics so became ignorance , I will spend more time to read old threads.

Merry Xmas and enjoy!

Audiophilelp

Herculees Hing!

Thanks for your lengthy reply, clearly you have many words about "DIY sound" which may have already made somebody feel uneasy about it.

To me, DIY is not inferior at all, please don't misunderstand.  C Hing is doing himself to alter (or improve) the sound to an extent that the whole LP12 is replaced by another thing. This is really harder than buying a better turntable.

No hifi item is perfect but I am really wordless if one is buying a product(or only concept of LP12?) but not trusting its design or even upgrades.

Yes yes, I am just joking, please take it easy and relax. No need to say sorry!

Herculees

DIY sound doesn't bother me at all, I am not sure it does exist or not, please do not misunderstanding.


I didn't think DIY is inferior at all.  So no misunderstanding ever happened.

I just want to learn the Linn signature sound and DIY sound from people mention it.

OK , now change subject from ""Linn signature sound"" to ""concept of LP12""

What is concept of LP12?

Keel, Kore, original sub-chasis,  Lingo 1, Lingo 2, Lingo 3, Radikal, Basic arm, Akito, Ekos 1, EKOS 2, EKOS SE, AC motor, DC motor, Basik, Valhalla , T-cable, original phono cable , Akira, Linto, Majik , Trampolin. ....etc.

What is the common concept of LP12 of all above??

""Thanks for your lengthy reply""

Your are welcome,  but most are copy and pasts your words.

Cheers

Audiophilelp

Herculees 發表於 2014-12-25 18:24
DIY sound doesn't bother me at all, I am not sure it does exist or not, please do not misunderstandi ...

C Hing, instead of regurgitating my words , would you mind sharing your views by means of answering the questions you asked above ? Your expert opinion is very meaningful to us!

rover901

Linn sound is something like "heaven"， everybody talk about it but nobody know exactly what it is...i am afraid not even Linn.

LP12 is Linn version of executing the idea of 3 points suspension, which was already existing in the market.

It has its own house sound compared to the existing options in 70's, people loved it.

But it evolved.  All these years.  Never stop.  Recent encounter with a totally factory spec LP12 (latest version), tuned by authorised dealer (suppose to be expert in doing this) i cant say it sounds bad but i tell u this LP12 sounds totally different from a 80's spec LP12 i have heard 10 years ago.  And different to any, in my opinion, properly setup LP12 i ever heard.

So which one is the Linn signature sound?

Which generation is the right Linn sound?

The 80's?(after cirkus), the latest (the full se spec) or the original 70's?

Sometimes i feel sorry for die hard linn lp12 fans.....so confusing  they have to close their eye and accept whatever Linn feed them...