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[CAS] 為o左 Rip 靚 CD 檔案你會去到幾盡?Pioneer BDR-S11J-X

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發表於 2018-12-27 12:52:48 | 顯示全部樓層
I will use Pachanko "Pure reference" SATA cable to directly connect Pioneer BDR-S11J-X to the motherboard to see any improvement over using Usb ports.
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發表於 2018-12-29 22:12:22 | 顯示全部樓層
好彩佢哋有現貨,所以見到 FromJapan 有九折就 order 咗隻:

https://item.rakuten.co.jp/digitalside/dela-d10/



淨重 4 kg 嘅 BD drive 再加埋包裝足足 7.5 kg,真係攞到手軟:





佢話換咗隻 cheap 牛之後會如虎添翼,所以又要搵隻頂級 LPS 俾 D10 喇,Paul Hynes SR7 隨時要等一至兩年,所以我都心大心細:

https://tad13219.exblog.jp/29986893/

如果有師兄想試試 Dela 大戰 Pioneer 嘅話都可以傾傾,希望我無買貴亦無買錯啦。

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發表於 2018-12-30 13:15:47 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2018-12-29 22:12
好彩佢哋有現貨,所以見到 FromJapan 有九折就 order 咗隻:

https://item.rakuten.co.jp/digitalside/del ...

I am interested in "......如果有師兄想試試 Dela 大戰 Pioneer 嘅話都可以傾傾..."

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發表於 2019-1-1 15:31:21 | 顯示全部樓層
去鴨記買瑞典農夫養嘅老鼠要成千銀,但係強國版就幾舊水加運費:

https://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=156294
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=561298000471
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=569127599145

照計就無理由兩種老鼠都試齊,唔知邊隻比較好養呢?
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發表於 2019-1-1 15:43:32 | 顯示全部樓層
vhs 發表於 2018-12-30 13:15
I am interested in "......如果有師兄想試試 Dela 大戰 Pioneer 嘅話都可以傾傾..."

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搵埋史 Sir 三五成群一齊玩會唔會仲過癮呢?不過我淨係得隻跟機嘅 cheap 牛可以用嚟試。
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發表於 2019-1-2 00:01:14 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2019-1-1 15:43
搵埋史 Sir 三五成群一齊玩會唔會仲過癮呢?不過我淨係得隻跟機嘅 cheap 牛可以用嚟試。 ...

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發表於 2019-1-2 08:41:24 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2019-1-1 15:43
搵埋史 Sir 三五成群一齊玩會唔會仲過癮呢?不過我淨係得隻跟機嘅 cheap 牛可以用嚟試。 ...

萬幾蚊部 D10, 無理由唔配番隻好線電唱。
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發表於 2019-1-6 15:06:14 | 顯示全部樓層


1.        River of Sorrow – AQ disc
2.        My DSD remaster on Green Tune disc
3.        River of Sorrow – Crystal disc
4.        My Crystal disc remaster on Green Tune disc
5.        River of Sorrow – Regular CD
6.        My DSD remaster on MAM-A disc
7.        My Crystal disc remaster on MAM-A disc



https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/crystal-disc-us-1600-was-played-with-genesis-speaker.11773/page-16#post-219732
Just out of the Redbook CD’s, there was 1 person that thought Disc 3 and 4 were tied for the best. Two people though thought that Disc 4 was more pleasurable to listen to over a long period of time and the other 2 people thought Disc 1 was better over a long period of time, but then chose Disc 4 on another track that was played.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/crystal-disc-us-1600-was-played-with-genesis-speaker.11773/page-16#post-219777
#3 was the overall best for this session, followed closely by #4, on this system, and this recording, on this day. it was the most listenable and relaxing to listen to....the least digital sounding. however; I suspect that #1 would be what I would prefer on a broad spectrum of music as it was more vivid and lively but a bit too in your face on this recording. this is just a guess about how this exercise might project for me.

the dsd files from my server were quite a bit better than any of the CD's to my ears. more detail, much better imaging and depth, and more real sounding. also very relaxed.

and then the vinyl, while it had it's issues, was on a whole different level of involvement. everything came alive on a whole different scale. you could pick out areas where the dsd or even the CD's had more of this or that, but you did not care.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/crystal-disc-us-1600-was-played-with-genesis-speaker.11773/page-16#post-219784
based on my personal experience and format listening choices the glass disc does not present a rational cost-benefit relationship. I liked what it did, and what the copy of it that Bruce made did......on this recording. but the dsd files were better even on this recording.

so no, it's not worth $1600 to me personally.
盲聽嘅結果相當有趣,玻璃 CD 好似無想像中咁勁,就算 AQCD 都無話俾佢壓倒性擊倒。跟住直接將隻玻璃 CD 抄過去隻三菱 Green Tune 極品 CD-R 之後嘅分別都唔大,不過最後佢都係咁話:

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/crystal-disc-us-1600-was-played-with-genesis-speaker.11773/page-18#post-229761
I just made the comment about the Crystal disc. I don't know anything about other discs. Sometimes they will, sometimes they won't. Just depends on what computer/player/DAC you're using.
I can play a disc in my Playback Designs and it will sound better than a rip using an old laptop/iTunes/Stello DAC.
我個人嘅理解係只要所有 RBCD 嘅 master 係一樣,沿用同一部 CAS 嘅硬件/軟件 rip 乜嘢制式嘅 RBCD 都無關係,當然大前提係 rip 碟嘅過程(所有版本都需要達到 null to infinity)完全無問題,而每一隻 RBCD 亦都無刮花或者污糟嘅地方。

但係求其用部舊 notebook 嚟 rip 碟嘅話都未必係好事,而且佢哋都有提過應該點樣 rip:

http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Black_CD_Paper_Ultimate.pdf
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/crystal-disc-us-1600-was-played-with-genesis-speaker.11773/page-5#post-213256
When I showed Winston that I could make a copy of his JVC-pressed K2HD sampler sound better in 2007, he was astounded. After that, we went through many, many sessions listening to different blanks, different burners, even different designs of power supply for the burner. They all sounded different. When ripped, they all null. The data is the same. BLER makes a difference, but not the difference we expect because CD technology auto-corrects (up to an extent).
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/crystal-disc-us-1600-was-played-with-genesis-speaker.11773/page-5#post-213281
I was a non-believer of Gary's ripping regimen until a friend (local Harbeth, Vitus, Accuphase, YG dealer) compared my 1x rips and his "No Short Cuts" Gary rips. Mine sounded like crap.
三井嘅 CD-R 平均 2.5 美金一隻:

http://www.mam-a-store.com/mam11498-50.html
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=571143339228
https://www.amazon.com/MAM-Audio-Master-50-pack-Spindle/dp/B0050P8II6

三菱 Green Tune 就貴到無朋友,你買埋我嗰份喇:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=544556510921
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=575195028356
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=584511675103
https://www.amazon.co.jp/三菱ケミカルメディア-マスターディスク用-CD-R-MUR74GT1-16倍速/dp/B000BKKJNM

太陽誘電嘅價位都唔講得笑:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15209240852
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=16579521729
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=40686563108
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=42344854127
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=544363233086
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=584511535405
https://www.amazon.co.jp/That’s-太陽誘電-Thats-CDR-74MY-マスターメディア用CD-R-(1枚)/dp/B009CJ5SY8
https://www.amazon.co.jp/太陽誘電製-CD-Rデータ用-16倍速マスターディスク用-10mmPケース10枚入-CDR-74MY10P/dp/B000AD7NBQ

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發表於 2019-1-6 16:17:53 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2019-1-6 15:06
1.        River of Sorrow – AQ disc
2.        My DSD remaster on Green Tune disc
3.        River of Sorrow – Crystal  ...

Thanks for sharing
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 樓主| 發表於 2019-1-7 16:49:45 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2019-1-1 15:43
搵埋史 Sir 三五成群一齊玩會唔會仲過癮呢?不過我淨係得隻跟機嘅 cheap 牛可以用嚟試。 ...

好呀,一齊玩下啦!
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發表於 2019-1-7 17:35:19 | 顯示全部樓層
史的墳 發表於 2019-1-7 16:49
好呀,一齊玩下啦!

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發表於 2019-2-14 23:58:52 | 顯示全部樓層
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發表於 2019-2-15 00:02:24 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2019-2-14 23:58
見到隻 100V 牛就即刻無性趣:

https://www.ratocaudiolab.com/product/ral/ral_ec5u3p/

BDR-S12J-X 正喎


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 樓主| 發表於 2019-2-15 09:04:07 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2019-2-14 23:58
見到隻 100V 牛就即刻無性趣:

https://www.ratocaudiolab.com/product/ral/ral_ec5u3p/

Pioneer BDR-S12J-X,我等緊貨到!

另外,RATOC 個隻 100V 要換其他環牛同變壓係好容易,但係咁既價錢真係唔值啦!
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發表於 2019-2-15 09:17:44 | 顯示全部樓層
各位 Rip碟大大, 請分享ㄧ下 BDR-S12J-X 比 BDR-S11J-X 有何改進呢?
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 樓主| 發表於 2019-2-15 09:26:52 | 顯示全部樓層
CKKeung 發表於 2019-2-15 09:17
各位 Rip碟大大, 請分享ㄧ下 BDR-S12J-X 比 BDR-S11J-X 有何改進呢?

未到手未知呀,到左手後第一時間報導一下。
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發表於 2019-2-15 09:55:59 | 顯示全部樓層
史的墳 發表於 2019-2-15 09:26
未到手未知呀,到左手後第一時間報導一下。

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 樓主| 發表於 2019-2-15 10:19:05 | 顯示全部樓層

暫時睇到最大分別就係,S12J-X 改進了驅動軟件,以減少因灰塵、香煙等導致的磁盤讀取性能下降,增強部機的壽命達兩倍!!。同時支援 M-DISC,其他功能與 BDR-S11J-X 是一樣。

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發表於 2019-2-15 10:23:52 | 顯示全部樓層
史的墳 發表於 2019-2-15 10:19
暫時睇到最大分別就係,S12J-X 改進了驅動軟件,以減少因灰塵、香煙等導致的磁盤讀取性能下降,增強部機 ...

你部S11Jx 有冇改鐘?
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 樓主| 發表於 2019-2-15 10:24:55 | 顯示全部樓層
vhs 發表於 2019-2-15 10:23
你部S11Jx 有冇改鐘?

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