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發表於 2019-2-21 22:39:11 | 顯示全部樓層
Siegfried 發表於 2019-2-21 22:37
Yes, and Grimm CC1 is a master clock behaving like Vivaldi Master Clock, though Grimm can only out ...

Yes...........
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發表於 2019-2-21 22:44:02 | 顯示全部樓層
Siegfried 發表於 2019-2-21 22:36
I did not follow the recommended connections for UPS as per the Aurender website.

The one "to DA ...

I almost bought W20 in Nov 2018......

but now I am working on DIY Roon Server.......

https://www.hiendy.com/hififorum ... &extra=page%3D1
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發表於 2019-2-21 22:52:26 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 Siegfried 於 2019-2-21 22:55 編輯


Unlike Cybershaft, Grimm does not publish official specs on its phase noise, Allan variance, etc.  There is one graph inside its instruction booklet [see post 1483 below]:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/ ... udio.806827/page-99

Another unofficial measurement I have found online is this:

https://blacklionaudio.wordpress.com/tag/grimm-cc-1/

[it is comparing its clock to Grimm, and obviously promoting its own brand, so not sure how accurate the measurement is]

But Grimm claims CC1 to be (one of the?) most accurate master clocks money can buy.  And many international master studios use it.  This may mean something.

I don't know much about the technical details behind.  But I tend to agree with Grimm's White Paper that signals from a 10M clock will have to be converted to 44.1 and 48 before they can be used for audio.  There are many unknown factors (the PPLs, more cabling, etc) during conversion.  It will be interesting if people can measure the resultant phase noise, etc. when, say, the sine wave signal from the superior Cybershaft OP-20 (with phase noise of -120dB@1Hz!!!) is converted to 44.1 square wave signal through the Vivaldi clock.

Grimm gives 44.1 and 48 signals DIRECT from its outputs (with reasonably low phase noise, I believe).  So, I think there is some guarantee in quality.

And... there is one more advantage of Grimm vs Cybershaft.  It takes days or weeks for a Cybershaft to reach its peak performance.  If it is unplugged, one will have to wait for a long time.  Whereas for Grimm, it only takes 15mins to 30mins to reach a reasonable level.

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發表於 2019-2-21 22:54:01 | 顯示全部樓層
Siegfried 發表於 2019-2-21 22:52
Unlike Cybershaft, Grimm does not publish official specs on its phase noise, Allan variance, etc.  ...

"It takes days or weeks for a Cybershaft to reach its peak performance....." Yes I heard that too.....
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發表於 2019-2-21 22:54:41 | 顯示全部樓層
Siegfried 發表於 2019-2-21 22:52
Unlike Cybershaft, Grimm does not publish official specs on its phase noise, Allan variance, etc.  ...

very good information.........
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發表於 2019-2-21 23:11:12 | 顯示全部樓層
Really learn a lot tonight
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發表於 2019-2-21 23:33:58 | 顯示全部樓層
vhs 發表於 2019-2-21 22:54
"It takes days or weeks for a Cybershaft to reach its peak performance....." Yes I heard that too. ...

I can verify on this. A few weeks ago, I have to switch off my cybershaft clock to rearrange the HIFI rack. Once switched the cybershaft back on, the sonic performance took about 10 days to gradually restored to peak performance (which my wife noticed too)
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發表於 2019-2-21 23:38:14 | 顯示全部樓層
LanLan 發表於 2019-2-21 23:33
I can verify on this. A few weeks ago, I have to switch off my cybershaft clock to rearrange the H ...

Thanks for your sharing
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發表於 2019-2-21 23:45:38 | 顯示全部樓層
Siegfried 發表於 2019-2-21 22:52
Unlike Cybershaft, Grimm does not publish official specs on its phase noise, Allan variance, etc.  ...

I have tried both the Grimm and Cybershaft with my Esoteric K-1, I found the Cybershaft op 13 is already a better match.
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發表於 2019-2-21 23:49:31 | 顯示全部樓層
tst123 發表於 2019-2-21 23:45
I have tried both the Grimm and Cybershaft with my Esoteric K-1, I found the Cybershaft op 13 is a ...

Thanks for your sharing.

Yes...most ESO users use Cybershaft...
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發表於 2019-2-21 23:55:11 | 顯示全部樓層
tst123 發表於 2019-2-21 23:45
I have tried both the Grimm and Cybershaft with my Esoteric K-1, I found the Cybershaft op 13 is a ...

Perhaps Eso fits better with 10M clocks than 44.1/48, as it can accept 10M signals directly.
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發表於 2019-2-22 07:07:05 | 顯示全部樓層
Siegfried 發表於 2019-2-21 23:55
Perhaps Eso fits better with 10M clocks than 44.1/48, as it can accept 10M signals directly.

I won't draw this generic conclusion easily. 10M reference clock and master clock providing 44.1/48 work clock are simply serving difference purposes.
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發表於 2019-2-22 10:10:15 | 顯示全部樓層
vhs 發表於 2019-2-21 22:44
I almost bought W20 in Nov 2018......

but now I am working on DIY Roon Server.......

They are having an A30 instead of W30....

https://www.audiostream.com/cont ... -road-trip-and-demo

Seems they are confident about their DAC and CD ripping drive.  With such a price tag, not sure how popular it is going to be...
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發表於 2019-2-22 10:17:10 | 顯示全部樓層
Siegfried 發表於 2019-2-22 10:10
They are having an A30 instead of W30....

https://www.audiostream.com/content/aurender-a30-new-to ...

Oh....If W30 is not going to be released....then no need to wait....
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發表於 2019-2-22 13:46:44 | 顯示全部樓層
Siegfried 發表於 2019-2-22 10:10
They are having an A30 instead of W30....

https://www.audiostream.com/content/aurender-a30-new-to ...

If A30 is all in one......no interest in it at all............
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發表於 2019-2-22 15:14:34 | 顯示全部樓層
vhs 發表於 2019-2-22 13:46
If A30 is all in one......no interest in it at all............

Same here.  Not sure if there will be a W30 on top of A30 though...
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發表於 2019-2-22 18:50:35 | 顯示全部樓層
Siegfried 發表於 2019-2-22 15:14
Same here.  Not sure if there will be a W30 on top of A30 though...

I think the chance is quite small...
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