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[分享] Acoustic System Resonance 麗聲雷達(聖杯)

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發表於 2010-8-23 00:43:59 | 顯示全部樓層
嘩!!!!!
LEE度成10皮野都有喎!!!!!
loklam 發表於 2010-8-22 22:45


成本我諗五舊水都唔駛
賣嗰個笑到唔知點

衹係個人意見,請諒
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 樓主| 發表於 2010-8-23 01:04:19 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 loklam 於 2010-8-23 10:06 編輯
成本我諗五舊水都唔駛
賣嗰個笑到唔知點

衹係個人意見,請諒
lulu 發表於 2010-8-23 00:43


咁又唔可以咁講既,如果你同我發明到,咁我可以賺埋佢D錢,不過可惜我冇咁本事。
做發明開發既就係咁,人地做左幾多野,之前既投資全部都係成本,可能佢真係價值不菲架!
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發表於 2010-8-23 08:32:30 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 baby 於 2010-8-23 08:37 編輯
嘩好價呢位師兄咁多隻唔知要幾銀呢
kingyan 發表於 2010-8-22 22:44

聖壇。。。

唔知師哥有無玩魔介啦!!
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發表於 2010-8-23 09:12:49 | 顯示全部樓層
果d深啡色一粒粒果d我已經有老番版100粒~
一9樣既
成本$20~大6做~
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發表於 2010-8-23 09:31:40 | 顯示全部樓層
果d深啡色一粒粒果d我已經有老番版100粒~
一9樣既
成本$20~大6做~
JanHau 發表於 2010-8-23 09:12


有無比效過效果是否近似?
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發表於 2010-8-23 09:39:32 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 25# cowboy

效果都係一9樣

反而果d杯同反相木好難diy~因為佢地入面係挖空同加左d野
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發表於 2010-8-23 09:53:48 | 顯示全部樓層
聖杯咁既價錢......
比我換線材好過.
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發表於 2010-8-23 09:59:43 | 顯示全部樓層
果d深啡色一粒粒果d我已經有老番版100粒~
一9樣既
成本$20~大6做~
JanHau 發表於 2010-8-23 09:12



    20 蚊100粒?
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 樓主| 發表於 2010-8-23 10:05:53 | 顯示全部樓層
聖杯咁既價錢......
比我換線材好過.
米奇老野 發表於 2010-8-23 09:53


如果咁講好明顯師兄唔明聖杯既作用,換線係唔可以解決房間注波既問題架喎~

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發表於 2010-8-23 10:09:38 | 顯示全部樓層
玩HIFI確實係唔簡單, 但我同意LOKLAM兄講, ROOM Acoustic 係非常重要的一環...玩得唔好, 幾貴的器材都好難聽.
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發表於 2010-8-23 10:16:11 | 顯示全部樓層
聖杯咁既價錢......
比我換線材好過.
米奇老野 發表於 2010-8-23 09:53


我都認為換線材或攪其他野先應是優先的步驟,通常攪無可攪就開始攪這些"神物"。
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發表於 2010-8-23 10:17:07 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 27# 米奇老野

空間處理既野,你用咩cable都係改善唔到~
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發表於 2010-8-23 10:18:00 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 29# loklam

無錢玩呢d咁高級既效聲補品......
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發表於 2010-8-23 10:18:26 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 28# cyberken
大6 diy幾平都得,做一萬粒我古幾舊水都得
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發表於 2010-8-23 12:06:18 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 cyberken 於 2010-8-23 12:36 編輯
回復  cyberken
大6 diy幾平都得,做一萬粒我古幾舊水都得
JanHau 發表於 2010-8-23 10:18



    我諗呢d 野最難係set 果part
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 樓主| 發表於 2010-8-23 12:34:57 | 顯示全部樓層
其實D牛肉粒既功用又係D咩呢?
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發表於 2010-8-23 13:06:06 | 顯示全部樓層
Wow, so much discussions on resonators, I come to 湊熱鬧 too.
Thank you LokLam Hing for sharing.

I had been using mine for a few months now. I’m using 3x Silver聖杯, 1x Copper聖杯, 1x Diffusor, 1x Phase Corrector, 1x白金魔鐘 and 2x金魔鐘.
I used Acuslik-labor 魔鐘 first, overall, they do similar improvements to the Acoustic System Resonators, sounds are more brought out (I don’t mean physically come out) but becoming clearer, cleaner, a bit like TOAC R50 but certainly not the same.
Shortcomings in 魔鐘 comparing to Acoustic System Resonators:
1.        改善程度較細
2.        改善範圍較少
3.        音染較大 (I’ve gold and platinum 魔鐘, silver and copper Resonators)

Yes, I believe some improvements brought from these resonators can be achieved by 器材, 線材 and 墊材; but not all.
It’s not easy evaluate the justification of worthiness because there’re so many factors.
I tried taking away the resonators, sounds dull and boring, may be my system is not good enough or I have not tuned it the right way (including positioning the speakers, but again, I don’t have room to move my speakers).
I’ve also furniture placement issue in my home that my TV is so close to my speakers horizontally. i once took away my tv, sounds improved so much. It’s too late for me to put the tv on the wall, the cd cabinet is occupying too much space, there’re too many other things to fix if I do so, such as where to place the power bar and so on, just forget it. Resonators help to open up the sound stage even when the TV is there and relaxed listening, so they’re important to me.

Positioning is simple, i follow the procedure on http://www.francktchang.com/3acousticresonators.html.

Below are some reviews I can share.

Acuslik-labor 魔鐘
白金 Acuslik-labor 魔鐘:  分析力, 少d低頻量, 增高低頻伸延, 收口型, 可能導致人聲更噪*

黃金 Acuslik-labor 魔鐘:  分析力(少), 人聲少d噪, 力水

*可調節白金魔鐘的高度去減少其效力, 非常有用. Yes, the 白金魔鐘 advantage is also its con. It’s best to lessen them by placing it at a lower position, this makes its advantage just right. I now place one behind the speaker on the left because it’s right next to the ledger. It has all the improvements I mention above. The elementary 白金魔鐘 characters don't differ much against positioning.

** I tried placing 魔鐘 on near ceiling, NO EFFECT, so they’re useful on the wall not so high.


Acoustic System Resonators 麗聲雷達(聖杯)
Comparing to 魔鐘, 聖杯 cannot be evaluated by their characters alone because their behaviors depend on where you position them.
Yet, I believe Silver is neutral with very little warmth. This is what I perceived from the one I placed above the TV.
Other Silvers I used, I didn’t feel any remarkable sonic characters (frequency wise).

Since I have a TV cabinet, I place the 1st Copper resonator under the TV cabinet (middle)
Improvements:
1. 音牆加深度
2. 人聲清晰
3. 輕鬆
4. 更低的位置都可以發出聲音 (GOOD!)
5. 空氣感
6. I tried placing the resonator away from the TV cabinet wall, less improvement, no good! 必須貼牆 or TV櫃


The first lot I bought, shared with my friend. I only bought the two more silver, the diffusor and phase corrector at a later time.



One copper under TV cabinet




So i place the Copper under the TV Cabinet, the second pic explains better.
Notice that I placed the diffuser on top of the phase corrector incorrectly, it gave large mouth.
Also, the phase corrector should be placed right in front of the Copper, or else, I found not much effect.

One silver above TV


One Silver on the ceiling on the front


One Silver on the ceiling on the back



One白金 Acuslik-labor 魔鐘


One 黃金 Acuslik-labor 魔鐘


I recently changed the position of the 2nd 黃金 Acuslik-labor 魔鐘, need to take a pic later.


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發表於 2010-8-23 13:10:27 | 顯示全部樓層
1. 音牆加深度 <-呢個我好需要..
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發表於 2010-8-23 13:25:25 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 westdoor 於 2010-8-23 14:38 編輯

聖杯用嘅係頻率轉移魔法,器材線材並唔能夠化解某些過剩嘅能量,聖杯在音頻平衡度有不可思議嘅神奇力量,有心人可找套試玩…
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發表於 2010-8-23 13:44:12 | 顯示全部樓層
好深奧, 就咁睇呢件毒物造價未必要咁貴, 不過真係睇下用咩物料同咩特性去影響

但使下呢樣野耳朵真係要好靈, 聽得出o係咩位置擺放係適合~
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