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發表於 2011-12-20 23:04:11 | 顯示全部樓層
如果用書架條sc要好長呀…
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 00:10:15 | 顯示全部樓層
dt825 發表於 2011-12-20 20:49
Andy兄蘇三擺位有冇難度或有乜要注意呢?

唉! DANNY兄, 我都跟據我過往既有限經驗估估吓咋.

因為我之前買樓既時侯, 都有諗過如果買新樓, 我都會咁擺位. 但SOFA既問題, 就要取捨.

例如: 如竹SOFA, or 兩座位sofa.
盡量留多d位比對座地喇叭氣孔呼吸. 如果老闆唔批, 就唯有玩d有質數既書架喇叭囉.

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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 00:11:38 | 顯示全部樓層
dt825 發表於 2011-12-20 20:49
Andy兄蘇三擺位有冇難度或有乜要注意呢?

我都未玩過穌三!!

我依家用穌一咋!!
其實依個問題, 唔只係wilson, 所有座地喇叭都會有此問題!
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 00:13:28 | 顯示全部樓層
mebone 發表於 2011-12-20 22:50
Toe in再大d有冇幫助呢?

好似無咩幫助, toe-in只會改變喇叭後音場既深闊高 & 音場質感密度.

但對氣孔呼吸, 似乎無咩幫助喎.
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 00:13:51 | 顯示全部樓層
mebone 發表於 2011-12-20 23:04
如果用書架條sc要好長呀…

why??? 都係果個位!!??
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發表於 2011-12-21 08:42:44 | 顯示全部樓層
racewong 發表於 2011-12-21 00:10
唉! DANNY兄, 我都跟據我過往既有限經驗估估吓咋.

因為我之前買樓既時侯, 都有諗過如果買新樓, 我都會咁 ...

我估離後兩尺呼吸位係起歩點,太貼牆就算低音吾boom都好大可能會混濁不清,不過我都聽過有位高手能把卡馬大肥婆貼牆放不但冇問題還可以令音場向後移穿牆破壁兼人聲高企,因為佢響房間吸音反射上和器線材配搭上落左不少工夫。
至於toe in我估可以改變高中低平衡度亦可嘗試吾同角度比較,呢個係最快又吾使錢但絕對能改變音效嘅方法。
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發表於 2011-12-21 08:47:59 | 顯示全部樓層
racewong 發表於 2011-12-21 00:11
我都未玩過穌三!!

我依家用穌一咋!!

呢度有位網友剛入手蘇三而空間有限制擺位可能有挑戰性,所以想取些意見幫倒佢而自己又吸收下經驗。
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 10:28:38 | 顯示全部樓層
dt825 發表於 2011-12-21 08:47
呢度有位網友剛入手蘇三而空間有限制擺位可能有挑戰性,所以想取些意見幫倒佢而自己又吸收下經驗。{:5_52 ...

DANNY, 咁不如你攪個家訪啦. 等我去聽吓蘇三. 順便大家一齊研究吓擺位.
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發表於 2011-12-21 10:59:09 | 顯示全部樓層
racewong 發表於 2011-12-21 10:28
DANNY, 咁不如你攪個家訪啦. 等我去聽吓蘇三. 順便大家一齊研究吓擺位.

佢話先初步擺位待run-in一輪再請教你微調喎。
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 11:19:36 | 顯示全部樓層
dt825 發表於 2011-12-21 10:59
佢話先初步擺位待run-in一輪再請教你微調喎。

分享一下定位李師兄既經典文章比你朋友啦.
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Room Coupling
  
  
  
limage on SPEAKER PLACEMENT AND ROOM COUPLING (07-04-15).................   
  
Few of us, except perhaps the rare species of odd fossils of the pre-historic era, would have questioned the paramount importance of speaker placement nowadays. What is more debatable is where and how the speaker positions are to be determined. I have been a faithful follower of the room-coupling school and I believe that should be the best way out.   
  
Room coupling, I am quite positive by now, really goes beyond the deliberations over direct verses reflected sound sources, because the focal point remains relatively constant irrespective of what damping treatments we have on the wall surfaces in any given room. This focal point does not seem to move until the dimension of the room is drastically changed.   
  
To achieve effective room coupling, one has to locate the focal spot of the room first. There is a simple yet effective method to find this spot but I shall come back to that a while later. Every room has its own peaks and valleys acoustically. The peaks are resonances and the valleys are just the opposite, the suck-outs as a result of phase cancellation. I used to believe the coupling point is the spot where multiple resonances gravitate since it clocks the highest sound level throughout the audio band. If we look at it the other way round, however, the focal point of the room should more correctly be taken as the spot where phase cancellation is the lowest.   
  
When the speakers are placed along this focal spot, phase cancellation would be at its minimal obtainable within the room and the system will then be able to resolve, with the best of fidelity and the least of distortion, the myriads of spatial information contained in the recording. The width and depth, the ambience, the layering and instrument placements etc. will all spring to life. Proper sound staging, no doubt, has much to do with this phase coherency across the audible frequency range. We all know what would happen if one speaker is inverted in phase—there will be no imaging, no soundstage, and even no sense of direction. This is the result of serious phase cancellation. Even if the speakers are properly in phase, however, there would still be a fair amount of cancellation depending on where the speakers are placed.   
  
Ideally speaking, the room should be symmetrical in overall shape and the speakers symmetrically placed along the lengths of the rectangle. If one speaker is close to the side wall while the other is in the middle of the room, a rather common sight given the popular L-shape layout of sitting rooms in HK, there exist more chances for cancellation taking place at various frequencies, rendering the imaging blurred, stage collapsed and ambience lost.   
  
Once the speakers are coupled to the room, the two merge into one. The room becomes an effective extension of the speakers which in turn would cease to exist visually. Tuning for solid imaging then becomes much easier. Human ears locate the sound source by detecting the time difference of direct sound arriving at the ears. To achieve three dimensional imaging, all we have to do is to cut down secondary reflections from overwhelming the direct sound. While on this subject, I like to point out that I have tried the live-end-dead-end approach and it did not work to my satisfaction. I believe speakers are designed with the average western style living room in mind where upholstery, curtain, carpet and furniture all contribute to an acoustic environment which is neither too dead nor too live, but moderate throughout. This is something worth considering when we set about fabricating our listening area. It is not uncommon to find that the more elaborately contrived the HiFi room is, the less satisfactory it often turns out.   
  
Some fellow audiophiles suspect that because of the rather up-front placement of my speakers and because they are dipoles which radiate both ways, the large volume of space behind the speakers is encouraging tremendous amount of diffused reflections to create an artificial depth of field. Not so. Multi-mike mixed down recordings are rendered as they are, with absolutely no depth and instruments do stick with the speakers whereas a good concert hall recording has the ability to project the soundstage well beyond the boundaries of my small room while the speakers, despite their imposing size, simply disappear without a trace. Artificial depth just cannot differentiate as such.   
  
All in all, phase coherence does appear to be the key and with this key we stand every good chance to unleash a completely new dimension of audio realism.   
  
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Here comes the core—the action part of the whole thing, a method that has proven to work wonders for me over the last 30 odd years.   
  
Have the speakers placed along the lengths of the room, about ¼ to 1/3 from the back wall, and ¼ the breadth roughly. Then play some vocal music, the hilarious type, the more instruments the better.   
  
Now walk slowly to and fro along the mid-line between the speakers, from one end of the room to the other and then back, may be several times to get the mind set (if the speakers are standing low, you may well have to crawl). Somewhere along the aisle, you would hear the sound getting louder and at the same time it rises above your head, filling the ceiling as if you’ve entered a Gothic church. Bingo, that is it, the focal point.   
  
Mark this focal point and drag your speakers over the lateral line crossing the spot. You’ve just coupled your speakers to your room. What is left, may be the crucial part yet, is to find the perfect stereo seat. As the name suggests, you’ll have to look for the widest stereo soundstage again along the aisle, between the speakers. If one side of the room does not give you the best definition and soundstage, try the other side. I was the one having my seat moved over to the wrong side of the room to get the best out of my system.   
  
Final note, if you are unable to find the focal spot despite trekking up and down diligently the whole afternoon, your room dimension is probably too bad to be a listening room. Try another room if you have one. If not you’ll have to move house.   


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發表於 2011-12-21 14:09:47 | 顯示全部樓層
racewong 發表於 2011-12-21 11:19
分享一下定位李師兄既經典文章比你朋友啦.
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Room Coupl ...

多謝分享!真係有所得著
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發表於 2011-12-21 14:35:06 | 顯示全部樓層
racewong 發表於 2011-12-21 11:19
分享一下定位李師兄既經典文章比你朋友啦.
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Room Coupl ...

咁大段野無心機睇....不如你讀我聽...
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 15:01:04 | 顯示全部樓層
howin 發表於 2011-12-21 14:35
咁大段野無心機睇....不如你讀我聽...

仆街啦!睇唔明就睇唔明啦!
細個又唔讀多d書!
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發表於 2011-12-21 15:05:59 | 顯示全部樓層
racewong 發表於 2011-12-21 15:01
仆街啦!睇唔明就睇唔明啦!
細個又唔讀多d書!

咁你解釋我聽啦哥哥~~~
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 18:18:37 | 顯示全部樓層
howin 發表於 2011-12-21 15:05
咁你解釋我聽啦哥哥~~~

下次去你屋企幫你擺位啦.
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發表於 2011-12-21 18:23:16 | 顯示全部樓層
racewong 發表於 2011-12-21 18:18
下次去你屋企幫你擺位啦.

幾時
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 18:44:14 | 顯示全部樓層
howin 發表於 2011-12-21 18:23
幾時

要睇吓louis幾時得閒喎.
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發表於 2011-12-21 19:46:37 | 顯示全部樓層
racewong 發表於 2011-12-21 18:44
要睇吓louis幾時得閒喎.

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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 20:21:50 | 顯示全部樓層
dt825 發表於 2011-12-21 14:09
多謝分享!真係有所得著

你屋企都好易做到. 最主要係因為你張飯檯可以入廚房. 哈哈.
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-12-21 20:22:59 | 顯示全部樓層
howin 發表於 2011-12-21 19:46

我要玩ANACONDA呀!
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