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 樓主| 發表於 2021-11-22 17:04:52 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2021-11-19 08:02
Windows Server 2019 Core 都要企埋一二邊,Windows PE 真係掂:

http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic ...

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Windows 11 PE Audiophile Creation Guide
http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/4410-windows-11-pe-audiophile-creation-guide/

samotc 師兄整咗份 guide 喇,需要搵官方嘅 ISO 同埋其他 links 就可以睇睇呢度:

https://pastebin.com/raw/g3QQRy6K

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 樓主| 發表於 2021-11-28 15:30:33 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2021-11-28 14:25
Windows 11 PE Audiophile Creation Guide
http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/4410-windows-11-pe-au ...

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發表於 2021-12-3 22:12:06 | 顯示全部樓層
OPTIMO S ATX

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 樓主| 發表於 2021-12-4 14:38:27 | 顯示全部樓層
paulkwan 發表於 2021-12-3 22:12
OPTIMO S ATX

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抵玩過半高 PCIe 版好很多呀,五百幾美金再加埋運費就有接近 1TB 嘅 Optane 905P 玩:

https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/us-557-new-intel-optane-905p-series-960gb-2-5-x-15mm-u-2.34904/
https://www.newegg.com/intel-optane-ssd-905p-series-960gb/p/N82E16820167463
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294399688963

唔建議用跟機條『雞』線,而駁外置嘅 12V 牛牛就可以考慮用呢隻 adapter:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=539664373812
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=662454060013
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=663564366929

當然個 PCIe slot 就一定要直通 CPU 先至會好聲,假如塊底板無得咁樣玩就唔值得買咁大 size 嘅 Optane 905P 喇。



Optane 905P 可以話係送俾 CAS 嘅聖誕禮物,哈哈:

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Headphone/M.1593652758.A.4A1.html
900p的半高pcie和U.2差異,U2會稍微活躍、分離度好些,反義就稍微沒這麼厚、沒這麼穩
就類似於545走sata這樣
900P就算用轉接線進M.2,聲音也比普通M.2 SSD好ww

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 樓主| 發表於 2021-12-21 11:18:04 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2021-12-21 02:01
抵玩過半高 PCIe 版好很多呀,五百幾美金再加埋運費就有接近 1TB 嘅 Optane 905P 玩:

https://forums.ser ...

905P PCIe 直入 Xeon 的 Intel VMD……正{:5_170:}

Btw,P4800x 還比 905P 好少少

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發表於 2021-12-21 12:44:30 | 顯示全部樓層
Nenon 師兄當時的確係咁講,不過最近小弟再問佢點解 P5800X 咁抵玩都唔試試用 ARC6 版嘅 Sean Jacobs DC4 餵 12V 俾隻 Optane,佢就淨係答我話等 Emile 試咗先喎,哈哈:

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58164-building-a-diy-music-server/page/43/#comment-1088701
The P4800X sounds better than the 900P!
C621 同埋之前嘅 chipset 淨係得 PCIe 3.0,所以唔知會唔會未用盡 PCIe 4.0 Optane P5800X 嘅功力:

https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/intel-ssd-optane-p5800x-400gb-625.34520/page-2#post-318847
Seller offered two 400Gb for $1,000 if anyone is interested.
https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/intel-ssd-optane-p5800x-400gb-625.34520/page-2#post-320623
Top is 970 pro 512G I had in there, bottom is the P5800x (onboard Oculink controler)



For good measure - top is 900p, bottom is P4800x, same board/cpu

24 個鐘之內賣咗 10 隻 400GB,真係好很癲:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165192737674
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165208992993
https://www.ebay.com/sch/sonypvm/m.html



但係用幾隻 900P 玩 RAID 0 嘅 VROC 隨時有機會仲正過 P5800X 都唔定,當然要勤做 backup 咁解:

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/my-testing-of-optane-memory-32-gb-in-raid-0.3424282/#post-20853613
Now the question, what about speed & latency? Did it improve? The answer is a whole hearted yes. Both latency & speed though not everything improved. High que depth tests did not improve but neither did they lose much either. Latency & que depth one transfers improved dramatically as did sequential writes, things that are important to client computer usage.
Optane Raid 0 Array終於成功了
https://pctantao.com/297264039.html

Optane Raid0 作磁盤緩盤
https://www.chiphell.com/thread-2299063-1-1.html

Intel VROC Support
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/jzwdds/intel_vroc_support/

Intel Quad RAID-0 Optane Memory 32GB Bootable Without VROC Key!
https://pcper.com/news/intel-quad-raid-0-optane-memory-32gb-bootable-without-vroc-key/

Intel VROC Tested! - X299 VROC vs. Z270 RST, Quad Optane vs. Quad 960 PRO
https://pcper.com/2017/10/intel-vroc-tested-x299-vroc-vs-z270-rst-quad-optane-vs-quad-960-pro/

Bootable VROC RAID0 and 4x Intel Optane 800P SSDs
https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/bootable-vroc-raid0-and-4-x-intel-optane-800p-ssds/

Here’s how 4x Intel Optane 905P SSD in RAID 0 performs with MSI XPANDER-AERO
https://thetechrevolutionist.com/2018/06/heres-how-4x-intel-optane-905p-ssd-in-raid-0-performs-with-msi-xpander-aero.html

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 樓主| 發表於 2021-12-22 11:59:18 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2021-12-21 12:44
Nenon 師兄當時的確係咁講,不過最近小弟再問佢點解 P5800X 咁抵玩都唔試試用 ARC6 版嘅 Sean Jacobs DC4  ...

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發表於 2021-12-24 15:54:42 | 顯示全部樓層
性能好很高嘅性誕版 MC:

http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/3063-pink-hq-minorityclean/?p=57822
259 sounds significantly deeper, more open and more euphonic than 258. And I mean SIGNIFICANTLY.

After all the years of doing this hobby I thought nothing can really suprise me anymore.

But when I start MC259, I get goosebumps like I got when I first tried high end headhpones. It was like 20 years ago.

Holy fk. 259 is pure euphoria. How is that even possible. I can't believe what I'm hearing.

If you can try just one version of MC, 259 is the one.
クリスマスバージョン公開 MC259 LE23 Bug head 13.28 Elementary 57
http://www.mics.ne.jp/~cdorya/VoiceBlog/
命令デコーダーの処理が遅いCPUではバッファ転送できない可能性のある、命令文がやたらと長いバージョンです。ループ系処理の前にジャンプ命令で飛び越す方式の μOPコード の最適化を実施しています。実際にCPUが実行する RISC プロセッサー命令 を予測して最適化しています。それで、CeleronやPentiumではトラブルがあるかもしれません。Bug head は Intel Core シリーズプロセッサーを前提にした最適化をしていますので、今回はそれを強く意識した最適化で影響あります。

ループ系処理で低ジッター追求したので、音質改善率は高く、USB-DACによっては「曇った音」「キレがない」という現象が起きると思います。このときに「滝の音」「川のせせらぎ」といった自然音のバーンインは避けて下さい。推奨音源は Enya - Dark Sky Island のCDバージョンを鳴らし続けて下さい。約4時間ほどすれば急にキレが戻ります。自然音のバーンインは、高級オーディオのCDPに限ったテクニックと思いますので、PCオーディオではUSB-DACやオーディオ機器を破損する原因になります。
果然呢個世界係唔會有免費午餐,普普通通嘅 Windows 點都無咁正,關鍵就係 lsass.exe 個 seafood:

http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/4410-windows-11-pe-audiophile-creation-guide/?p=57778
I should end with a thank you to samotc for his help getting me here, he has been fantastic. As I understand it, samotc has tried many other Ramdisk installs with non-WinPE Windows OS's, and this is my first foray into Ramdisk. The SQ boost is just amazing in WinPE. It is, hands down, the biggest audio OS-based boost in SQ I have ever experienced with any solution, and I have tried quite a few beyond RAMdisk. The clarity is really, really something, just insane amounts of detail retrieval and noise floor reduction. Without him this would not have been possible. Highly recommended for those willing to put in the work!
Here is where things get VERY interesting: you can safely kill “lsass.exe” in Win10PE. I was literally shocked when this worked. Lsass.exe, for those who do not know, is a cornerstone of Windows’ security subsystem. In “normal” W10, killing it would result in almost immediate reboot, hanging, BSOD, or other critical issue. Not here, however - I could kill lsass.exe in W10PE and still use literally everything but TIDAL app, which would no longer lock onto my DAC. This reminds me of the days of cicsmemoryplayer on the forum Audio Asylum -- years ago, an alternative shell, file playback player, and other ecosystem was developed by a user there named “cics” and a variety of other forum users, who would use Windows XP, at the time, to be reduced to ridiculously small sizes through sheer deleting of system files. Among the features, however, of “cMP,” as it was known, was the ability to kill/suspend lsass.exe, which, in my build way back then, would successfully suspend for only one track of playback before Windows XP would hang and I would need to reboot. Still, the SQ impact of killing lsass.exe back then and now is VERY noticeable, and I would not necessarily say it is always good… you reach a very high level of detail and transparency, but god help you if you’re listening to a poorly recorded track, as everything will be shown in excruciating detail, warts and all. It also can cause even good recordings to sound harsh. Anyway, play with this at your own risk both SQ-wise and functionality-wise, but if you killed lsass.exe, the two svchost instances for AudioSrv and AudioEndpointBuilder, AND the instance for CryptSvc, as well as killing shell processes and the other processes I've detailed earlier in this post, you would be left with a whopping low of 14 processes running! Holy cow!
所以等價交換嘅法則就係咁解,種瓜得瓜,種豆得豆,越精簡嘅系統就越靚聲。

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 樓主| 發表於 2021-12-26 02:11:05 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2021-12-24 15:54
性能好很高嘅性誕版 MC:

http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/3063-pink-hq-minorityclean/?p=57822 ...

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samotc 師兄大部分嘅器材並唔算貴價貨,但係瘦到皮包骨嘅 Win11 XPE 已經正到無朋友:

http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/4410-windows-11-pe-audiophile-creation-guide/?p=57953
I have made a sound comparison between Win11XPE Audio with explorer interface (14 active processes) and Win11 XPE WinXShell interface (12 active processes)
I can only say that after a detailed listening, both are light-years away from Server 2019 Core in RAMDISK, with 12 active processes (WinXShell) the difference is even greater, the degree of transparency, crystal clarity, precision of the sound scene, Timbral and micro-detail is incredible, the sound is very smooth analog, without grain, the silky highs, the very real voices nothing nasal, the precise and articulate bass.
I have rediscovered all my recordings, it is as if I have never heard them before, for the large amount of new information appreciated.
I don't think I will use another OS again.
查實台灣嘅師兄一向都有 share 現成嘅版本,唔怕死嘅話都可以試試,跟足 samotc 師兄分享嘅 PDF 咁樣加 USB DAC 用嘅 driver 就應該差唔多:

https://sites.google.com/site/toolsdnpe/pe
https://inonameteam.com/thread-3412-1-1.html

記住個 "winlogon.exe" 係需要用 PsSuspend 先至可以令佢收皮,然後開始 kill 其他 processes 先至唔會藍畫面:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/pssuspend

總之關鍵就係要盡量將 processes 嘅數量減少到一打左右,祝各位師兄好運喇。

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 樓主| 發表於 2022-1-2 19:39:46 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2022-1-2 09:49
samotc 師兄大部分嘅器材並唔算貴價貨,但係瘦到皮包骨嘅 Win11 XPE 已經正到無朋友:

http://jplay.eu/fo ...

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發表於 2022-1-8 16:37:21 | 顯示全部樓層
Windows 10 PE製作工具WimBuilder2
https://blog.xuite.net/yh96301/blog/30591003

Windows 10 PE製作工具Win10XPE
https://blog.xuite.net/yh96301/blog/32066571

Win10XPE 記住要用最新嘅 2021-10-27 版本:

https://www.purebasic.fr/english/viewtopic.php?t=78139
SHA-1:8AE96CCB28E417BD314418E88FD6F9E583B3075B
https://mega.nz/file/eeI13AAJ#mqCH9oUk6daSavgLKC6cTbF_Apa5yguSw-7rU7bFPys
https://mega.nz/file/yW5hwSKC#4nq1o8vQMoWpsYgk7O_kMD_DVuUgSlKIWKjeGhSz2FA





M 記果然係無鑊仔牛柳/紅燒豬仔:

http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/4410-windows-11-pe-audiophile-creation-guide/?p=58086
Early days, but so far Win11PE is *significantly* sounding better than Win10PE in my system, and Win10PE was the best I'd heard. Insane clarity/extension.

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 樓主| 發表於 2022-1-9 12:49:31 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2022-1-8 16:37
Windows 10 PE製作工具WimBuilder2
https://blog.xuite.net/yh96301/blog/30591003

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發表於 2022-1-19 16:02:11 | 顯示全部樓層
Unregulated ARC6 Power Supply for Taiko ATX
https://www.custom-hifi-cables.co.uk/power-supplies/unregulated-arc6-power-supply-for-taiko-atx

史上最強嘅 ATX 電源,加埋佢就真係無得輸:

https://taikoaudio.com/taiko-2020/product/taiko-audio-dc-dc-atx/

假如買咗 JCAT OPTIMO S ATX 嘅話就真係揼春。

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tleonard 發表於 2022-1-19 16:02
Unregulated ARC6 Power Supply for Taiko ATX
https://www.custom-hifi-cables.co.uk/power-supplies/unre ...

點解,已經有對比過JCAT同Taiko ATX了嗎?

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 樓主| 發表於 2022-1-19 16:15:31 | 顯示全部樓層
tleonard 發表於 2022-1-19 16:02
Unregulated ARC6 Power Supply for Taiko ATX
https://www.custom-hifi-cables.co.uk/power-supplies/unre ...

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首先佢哋個阿頭已經講過 OPTIMO 3 DUO 的確係佔上風:

http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/3594-optimo-atx-truly-linear-atx-power-supply/?p=52527
Optimo 3 Duo won't be useless - it's output is of lower noise and dedicated for the JCAT cards / SSD whereas Optimo's AUX power is shared with ATX lines.
http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/3594-optimo-atx-truly-linear-atx-power-supply/?p=52529
The quality is exceptional, but slightly below optimo for that purpose. What is possible for 3A, is not for 23A in terms of noise level.
上年佢仲要懶叻咁走去挑機,跟住就俾人噴到一面屁:

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58164-building-a-diy-music-server/page/91/#comment-1125765
The Sean Jacobs DC4 blows away the OPTIMO 3 DUO in every aspect (confirmed by me and several users), but I never publicly said that, because I find it inappropriate.
Ronny Gabriel Grigg 師兄一向都有做 JCAT 產品嘅代理:

https://griggaudio.de/produkt/jcat-net-card-femto-kit/

Solarflare 嘅 SFN8522 或者 X2522 都比較難搞,散熱方面唔掂嘅話就會㷫過焫雞,不過就相當抵玩咁解:

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58164-building-a-diy-music-server/page/62/#comment-1102227
The JCAT NET Card FEMTO is well behind Solarflare. I don't have the XE version.
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58164-building-a-diy-music-server/page/63/#comment-1102261
Yes, with the JCAT Optimo 3 Duo. An absolutely excellent LPS. And yet, powered by the motherboard, the Solarflare 8522 card is so much better.
唔好唔記得呢件嘢原本係預咗俾 Taiko Audio SGM Extreme 嘅次級 model 用,即係相當於『セル』同埋『セルジュニア』兩者之間嘅關係:

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58164-building-a-diy-music-server/page/91/#comment-1125719
This is a new development, not implemented in the SGM Extreme music servers. This was originally designed to facilitate a cheaper server model, without compromising performance. As the demand for our music servers is keeping us rather busy, and so delaying the potential launch of a smaller server. As we will not get around to this anytime soon, we’ve decided to make this available for DIY projects. This design allows you to have a high-performance power supply which can be powered from an unregulated power supply as low as 100 USD costs in parts (transformer, rectifier, filter capacitance). Everyone should feel free to experiment with the unregulated DC-rail, its make-up will largely determine total system performance and sound.

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